EVE Search - CCP: Please implement Non-vanity items, and heres why

Check My IP Information

All Channels

EVE General Discussion

CCP: Please implement Non-vanity items, and heres why

» Click here to find additional results for this topic using Google

Monitor this thread via RSS [?]


Author	Thread Statistics \| Show CCP posts - 0 post(s)
Terminal Insanity Minmatar Convex Enterprises	Posted - 2011.06.30 01:06:00 - [1] First and foremost, it would probably cause a lot of crybabies to quit. Now seriously, lets pretend they place a "NeX Siege Launcher" in the NeX store. I can still purchase this with Isk by buying a PLEX with isk, and converting it into Aur. So, it allows me to use the non-vanity items, as well as give players who obviously suck at eve the chance to buy them with their own real money (Again, no different then buying GTC and then selling it for a Machariel.) The argument that it would break the ingame economy? It wont. Why? Because there are countless ways to implement this without breaking the economy. Just one example: Require a trade-up of a player-built item in addition to Aur for the non-vanity item. So now, we have non-vanity items that dont break the game economy, padding CCP's wallet, enabling them to continue growing and building eve and other games. We have eliminated the poor brats who's unintelligent opinions seem to be trashing CCP's good name for absolutely no reason, and we've kept the majority of the player base.
Terminal Insanity Minmatar Convex Enterprises	Posted - 2011.06.30 04:20:00 - [2] Originally by: riddick Liddell No worries, they are going to do it anyway. TBH i don't think they will. CCP has bent over so many times for the players in the past. Its a shame really, that a group of idiots can ruin something that's utterly harmless.
Terminal Insanity Minmatar Convex Enterprises	Posted - 2011.06.30 04:52:00 - [3] Originally by: Rosa Cardenalis Can someone actually explain to me why this wouldn't work or would break the economy? It looks fine to me. This person has articulated the protester's point of view quite clearly: Originally by: He StillPlays Games Originally by: Terminal Insanity stupid crap get out. Why cant you see it wont work!
Terminal Insanity Minmatar Convex Enterprises	Posted - 2011.06.30 05:02:00 - [4] Originally by: Blane Xero rabble rabble rabble rabble I can see you but all i hear is blabbering. Who are you again? Never mind, it is of no importance.
Terminal Insanity Minmatar Convex Enterprises	Posted - 2011.06.30 05:05:00 - [5] Edited by: Terminal Insanity on 30/06/2011 05:06:12 Originally by: Jimmy Duce I refuse to play a game where I have to pay, and then pay again to compete and apparently so do many others. But a rich newbie can already be one day old, buy a pilot with real money, buy a machariel with real money, and instantly skip over the 'time' needed to train such things. NeX store items are available for isk as well, not just real money. So i ask, whats the difference?
Terminal Insanity Minmatar Convex Enterprises	Posted - 2011.06.30 05:08:00 - [6] Edited by: Terminal Insanity on 30/06/2011 05:09:09 Originally by: Irie Irie Irie ironic and edgy. GTFO. The only thing ironic and edgy in this thread is your name and attitude. If all you have to contribute is flames and no real intelligible point of view, then perhaps this is the only ground you have to stand on. Such is the life of lowly peasants. Allow me to educate you on the meaning of your name: Quote: Irie refers to positive emotions or feelings, or anything that is good. Specifically it refers to high emotions and peaceful vibrations. This is a phonetical representation of "all right".
Terminal Insanity Minmatar Convex Enterprises	Posted - 2011.06.30 05:14:00 - [7] Edited by: Terminal Insanity on 30/06/2011 05:15:34 It is clear the only thing the anti-NeX people have to stand on is their flames and rage. They clearly lack any position to attack the facts stated in my original post. I accept your rage as proof my original post has completely debunked your protest and demand you return to your peasantry immediately, or we will cut back on your quafe rations.
Terminal Insanity Minmatar Convex Enterprises	Posted - 2011.06.30 05:22:00 - [8] Edited by: Terminal Insanity on 30/06/2011 05:23:50 Originally by: Jimmy Duce No, someone had to train that pilot, there isn't an infinite supply of high sp pilots, there isn't even an infinte supply of Machs. $-> items removes all limits, removes any economical feedback, and just makes me not give a damn about the game. Hell I already care less about Eve than I did simply a week ago. CCP's refusal to answer the damn question, and then needing a week to meet with the CSM before answering the damn question has moved me much closer to simply not liking this game any more. It's sad, even a horribly misformed Eve game would be better than most other games, but having seeing what EVe was, and what it could have been won't allow me to watch it slowly lose its soul. Eve is the best game ever, and CCP is forgetting what made it good. It is good because it is all player created. You clearly did not read my original post. If they required a player-built machariel to be paid in addition to Aur, for an upgraded 'NeX Machariel', there would be absolutly no effect on the ingame economy. In fact, it could help slightly, since people will keep their obscenely expensive NeX Mach docked/missioning and never lose it. Requiring a second machariel for their pvp. A pilot flying a NeX Mach would also be at increased gank risk, placing even more machariel orders at your doorstep. As for not answering "the question"... i could, once again, go and dig up the multiple forum and devblog posts stating very clearly "is this vanity only? Yes" but you would just ignore that and continue raging.
Terminal Insanity Minmatar Convex Enterprises	Posted - 2011.06.30 05:26:00 - [9] Edited by: Terminal Insanity on 30/06/2011 05:26:29 Originally by: Cataca How about backing up your own theories instead of speaking out of nowhere? I know im just demanding here, but hey, if you please im a steady follower. I have backed up my theories with examples in my original post, and a post not too far above this one. It is the anti-nex people who have yet to present a reasonable argument against non-vanity items. All they've shown so far is their mindless rage.
Terminal Insanity Minmatar Convex Enterprises	Posted - 2011.06.30 05:49:00 - [10] Originally by: Jimmy Duce Yes it would help which is why I'm not arguing the economic point, my main point is I do not wish to play a game where you pay $ and are better. You already do. PLEX allows a brand new player to be instantly better then you, both in isk, skills and ships.

Terminal Insanity Minmatar Convex Enterprises	Posted - 2011.06.30 06:02:00 - [11] Originally by: Aelyn A NEX ammo requires T1 ammo, so T2 and faction ammo prices drop. Less money making for LP farmers and BPC researchers. Where did CCP release this? Or is this again, just another case of mindless speculation and fear-mongering? Fact is, you have no idea how they'll implement it,,, or even if they WILL implement it. But dont let that stop you from typing up fantastical stories about CCP plans to murder eve etc, carry on peasant
Terminal Insanity Minmatar Convex Enterprises	Posted - 2011.06.30 06:18:00 - [12] Originally by: Aelyn A Originally by: Terminal Insanity . Just one example: Require a trade-up of a player-built item in addition to Aur for the non-vanity item. Eg. means example. Where that came from? It came from you Its just a scenario, means just what could happen, not will happen. I don't care much about MT as i can afford MT atm but i would like to blow up as many NEX customers ship for NEX loot if possible. I hope CCP would make suicide ganking really worthwhile. Correct. Its an idea. An idea that actually is supported by CCP in their devblogs, when they admitted they wanted to sell a small number of painted Scorpions "out of thin air" and then immediatly admitted they did not like this, and wanted to tie it into the current economy so that manufacturers dont get cut out. You are willing to argue that my point is invalid because its an "example" well, why is your argument that ships will spawn out of nowhere? That is equally a theoretical example. The difference between mine and yours is CCP has already stated their views on this subject and it reflects my example.
Terminal Insanity Minmatar Convex Enterprises	Posted - 2011.06.30 07:59:00 - [13] Originally by: Aelyn A Eg. means example. Where that came from? It came from you Its just a scenario, means just what could happen, not will happen. I don't care much about MT as i can afford MT atm but i would like to blow up as many NEX customers ship for NEX loot if possible. I hope CCP would make suicide ganking really worthwhile. Originally by: CCP Zinfandel I got a break between meetings. I have 11 minutes to post again in this thread. I apologize I haven't been able to read all the posts. I had a chance to talk to the CSM and get a clarification. I was not remembering it some parts correctly. At that time, we talked about only making the ship available for one week as a test (sold directly for Aurum) and then saving it until we had the correct trade-in or BPC functionality in the store. Then selling it normally. The CSM didn't like the idea of selling a whole ship, but they could live with a one week test. What I will do is take the ship off the schedule and just put it on hold for now. We are still going to make it available, but I will wait until August and see how things are going. By then I will know more about how long it will take to get either BPC or trade-in functionality into the store. At that point we can revisit the schedule for introducing the ship.
Terminal Insanity Minmatar Convex Enterprises	Posted - 2011.06.30 09:18:00 - [14] Originally by: Adunh Slavy Non-Vanity items require less input from the sandbox and add more into it than was 'traded in'. For example, a ship magically created, that has no other inputs other than Aurum, removes all the potential game play that the production of that ship would have required from the sandbox. Well, good thing ccp has stated that they will indeed require a trade-up or blueprint type system that will keep the manufacturers in the loop, and not create ships 'magically'. So much for your point there. Originally by: Adunh Slavy The only ones who profit from non-vanity micro-transactions are CCP, and they do so not only at the expense of the $Cash spender, but from everyone in the game that now no longer has the opportunity to participate in the creation of the items. Well, that would be the whole point of running a business, wouldnt it? To make money? I dont see what the problem is. If people are willing to pay 70 dollars for a monocle, let them. If someone is willing to pay 200 dollars to upgrade the stats of a machariel, as long as that machariel was initially spawned as part of normal/regular gameplay, let them! a 200$ machariel would infact increase manufacturers profits, since a 200$ machariel will not be throw around lightly, and that player will most likely buy a second mach just so he can use it in more risky situations. It also increases the target value of his ship, increasing his risk, increasing killmails, increasing sold machariels. So all i see is good for ccp, good for players. And a whole lot of whining from idiots Money > Plex > Machariel / 100m sp char Money > Aur > NeX Machariel Isk > Plex > Aur > NeX Machariel there is no advantage given to people who are rich irl... at least no more then already given by PLEX.
Terminal Insanity Minmatar Convex Enterprises	Posted - 2011.06.30 09:26:00 - [15] Originally by: Adunh Slavy If NexMach is better that RegularMach, then an arms race, paid for with real cash has been created. This is a pay to win scenario. You're 100% right... if it wasnt for the fact you can buy NeXMach with Isk also. So it would be an arms race... paid for with real cash OR ingame currency. And how exactly would buying a NeXmach with money be any different then buying a regular mach with money via plex? Both are available via cash or isk. Both require regular manufacturers to build the initial ship thats being upgraded. how is this so difficult for people to understand? lol.
Terminal Insanity Minmatar Convex Enterprises	Posted - 2011.06.30 09:32:00 - [16] Originally by: Brainless Bimbo Everyone forgets that it makes real life circumstances then get reflected in the game, its no longer an equal game, it does break game by making it real life dependent. No, you're overlooking PLEX/GTC. GTC already allows you to buy a 100mil SP character and titan. The idea that NeX store is for money only is obscene, as you can clearly already buy NeX items with Isk.
Terminal Insanity Minmatar Convex Enterprises	Posted - 2011.06.30 09:40:00 - [17] Edited by: Terminal Insanity on 30/06/2011 09:45:03 Originally by: Adunh Slavy We'll wait and see what comes out of the CSM summit. So much for your point there. how does that break my point at all? Look at my original post, it contains a link detailing CCP's plans to integrate even the vanity painted ships with manufacturers by requiring a regular version of the item to be traded up. Its there in black and white, written by CCP, posted on the forums, detailing their plans to implement this. My god people. Originally by: Adunh Slavy If a NexMach is better than a NormalMach, this sets up pay to win scenario. This is what all the rage is about. If you had bother reading any of the previous posts, this argument you have put forward has already been stomped all over and proven to be false. Why? Because the NexMach would still be available via isk OR money... Just as the regular mach is currently available via isk OR money. Originally by: Adunh Slavy It won't stay there. As you say, CCP is indeed a business. And in the sandbox they are god, they are a monopoly. They will over time use that power at the expense of everyone else in the sandbox. You can cite a slippery slope argument if you want to, but historical precedent sets the chain of causality to rock sold. No monopoly has ever not abused its power, and CCP are no saints. so whats your point here? You've basically stated that CCP is going to ** everyone over reguardless. perhaps you should just stop giving them money. You obviously lack the mental capacity to think this situation through, and so you probably shouldn't be handling money or paying for videogames anyways. Originally by:** Adunh Slavy Because you're looking at the proposition from your individual perspective, you are not considering the entirely of the economy. You your self do not escape your own desire for more power, and you think CCP isn't going to abuse it? what the ** does that even mean? My individual perspective? is backed up with facts as i've repeated several times all the way through this topic. Again, if you think CCP is just going to abuse its power regardless, **ing quit. Why are you here arguing over this one point when you already think they're going to trash the game regardless of which way the non-vanity issue goes?
Terminal Insanity Minmatar Convex Enterprises	Posted - 2011.06.30 09:44:00 - [18] Originally by: Adunh Slavy It is you that do not understand. Go brush up on your econmics and a bit of monetary theory. lol see, i present a solid case with facts and logical reasoning... and the only defense you can come up with is 'ur dumb'. Originally by: Brainless Bimbo Yeah, but they were not magicked up out of a database entry were they, a player did it, you have to buy players work And the NeX store was designed from the ground up to be a pure cash generation mechanic that is why it has BUY PLEX button and only uses PLEX for conversion and plz remember that a PLEX is GTC sales dependent not in game actions dependent. Also the requirement for an article was never built in to it, so its is a pure cash thing for magicked pixels. please tell me you're trolling. you cant really be this dumb and still use a computer... Again, i refer to my original post on this thread, at the bottom theres a link detailing CCP's plan to NOT magically appear them out of thin air. i have no faith in humanity after this. thanks ccp =P
Terminal Insanity Minmatar Convex Enterprises	Posted - 2011.06.30 09:51:00 - [19] Originally by: Franz Sigel No. All that you're buying as a wealthy noob is already in the game. The char you buy has been built up in-game. The gear you buy has been built up in-game. The isk you buy have been generated in-game. You only change the RL owner of virtual items. It doesn't matter in-game which RL guy is actually looking through your monocle if you decide to sell your char. yay more stupid people. I know you're just going to ignore my logically sound post and continue on believing your fantasy, but i'll try ... again... In order to purchace a evil super-over-powered NeXMach, you must first aquire a regular Machariel built by regular means with regular materials. Follow so far? Now, the NeXMach will remove a regular mach from your posession... and replace it with the NeXMach. See how that instantly invalidates your point? see how it still keeps the regular industrial players in the loop? See how non-magically the ship is created? probably not. But i guess thats why you dont wear a monocle.

COPYRIGHT NOTICE
EVE Online, the EVE logo, EVE and all associated logos and designs are the intellectual property of CCP hf. All artwork, screenshots, characters, vehicles, storylines, world facts or other recognizable features of the intellectual property relating to these trademarks are likewise the intellectual property of CCP hf. EVE Online and the EVE logo are the registered trademarks of CCP hf. All rights are reserved worldwide. All other trademarks are the property of their respective owners. CCP hf. has granted permission to EVE-Search.com to use EVE Online and all associated logos and designs for promotional and information purposes on its website but does not endorse, and is not in any way affiliated with, EVE-Search.com. CCP is in no way responsible for the content on or functioning of this website, nor can it be liable for any damage arising from the use of this website.